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"Spanfeller is a twat" (theaspiringengineer) 07/26/2020 at 19:10 • Filed to: None

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I see a !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! incoming.

Also, even though its a he said she said situation, and even though it hurts thinking that Randy was like that, I’m inclined to believe Alanis.

atfsgeoff > Spanfeller is a twat 07/26/2020 at 19:17

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This is entirely lacking in context

Also who is Alanis King Jones

E90M3 > Spanfeller is a twat 07/26/2020 at 19:19

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I’ve met him before, really nice guy. 

Spanfeller is a twat > atfsgeoff 07/26/2020 at 19:21

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I’ve added the link

And she's one of Jalopnik's journos... Though since a bunch of them left I don't know if she still writes for FP or moved elsewhere

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Spanfeller is a twat 07/26/2020 at 19:21

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While, thankfully, this appears to just be a wake-up moment of “Hey, please stop being dumb at press events ” , the real oof happened in the replies with the guy who said “Even if this happened, most women drive automatics so you should just feel thankful you went to the event!”

..... I mean, coffin_dance.mp4 for that guy, cause fuckin OOF

MrSnrub > Spanfeller is a twat 07/26/2020 at 19:22

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Thread for context (hopefully ok to embed this, the link does it automatically)

It definitely sucks, and honestly Randy’s response doesn’t really help his case. But I was worried it would be another harassment story, so...at least it’s not that I guess?

Spanfeller is a twat > E90M3 07/26/2020 at 19:23

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I've met a lot of people that are nice to a select group and, maybe without realizing, quite rude to other groups.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > E90M3 07/26/2020 at 19:30

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While I have never met him, I know of multiple people who have, and have nothing but great things to say about him.

atfsgeoff > Spanfeller is a twat 07/26/2020 at 19:31

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If she’s telling the truth, he acted like a dick

If she’s lying, she’s acting like a dick

There is a dick involved here somewhere, but unless there’s audio or video evidence, the identify of the dick shall never be known

Corroborating witnesses are extremely unreliable

Dusty Ventures > Spanfeller is a twat 07/26/2020 at 19:34

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She’s at Business Insider now

Dusty Ventures > atfsgeoff 07/26/2020 at 19:37

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I know Alanis well enough that I find it extremely unlikely she fabricated this story. Alanis is, and as long as I’ve known her always has been, bluntly honest.

atfsgeoff > MrSnrub 07/26/2020 at 19:41

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It definitely sucks, and honestly Randy’s response doesn’t really help his case.

He doesn’t have a case to help, if she’s telling the truth all he’s guilty of is being rude/condescending to someone. This isn’t life-altering stuff here, it happened a year ago and if it bothered her that much she should have spoken up about it sooner. This recent trend about dredging up every negative interaction anyone’s ever had with someone famous in years or decades past is getting old.

atfsgeoff > Dusty Ventures 07/26/2020 at 19:44

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She doesn’t even have to be lying, nor does he. Human perception and memory is incredibly complex and unreliable over time, they could both remember the same events quite differently. This is why eyewitness testimony is the least reliable type of evidence in a court of law.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Spanfeller is a twat 07/26/2020 at 19:45

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Another piece of kind of damning evidence against her, is that his ex-wife is also a track expert. So I’m kind of wondering why he would do the “Women can’t drive manual” thing when he has that evidence?

https://www.trackrekord.com/lind-pobst

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Dusty Ventures 07/26/2020 at 19:48

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It’s just odd that he would make that remark to a woman, when this is his ex-wife: https://www.trackrekord.com/lind-pobst

Maybe I’m reading too in between the lines and it wasn’t sexist, it was just a boomer having a “damn millennial” moment.

ClassicDatsunDebate > atfsgeoff 07/26/2020 at 19:52

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Counterpoint: who cares who the dick is?

atfsgeoff > ClassicDatsunDebate 07/26/2020 at 19:54

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That’s not a counterpoint, that kinda is my point

ClassicDatsunDebate > atfsgeoff 07/26/2020 at 20:00

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Oh good!  

Dusty Ventures > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 07/26/2020 at 20:02

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Age certainly could have played a factor in Randy asking her if she could drive stick . Alanis is... 23? 24? And she looks even younger than that.

MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) > Spanfeller is a twat 07/26/2020 at 20:16

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Yup. Anne Rule considered Ted Bundy a close friend. It’s scary thinking about how little you really know people, and how fallible our judgement is. 

A Boy and His Longtail > MrSnrub 07/26/2020 at 20:16

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Thanks for the context

Exage03040 @ opposite-lock.com > Spanfeller is a twat 07/26/2020 at 20:18

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I genuinely despise the whole “Court of Twitter” people try to play.

Unless there’s another “ t witt ness” who steps up to confirm, deny, provide context or ideally a smoking gun is found then I will still retain a stance of innocent until proven guilty with regards to accusations .

I’m curious though, why is she bringing this up now?

MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) > atfsgeoff 07/26/2020 at 20:20

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This isn’t bringing up someone’s committing sexual assault/harassment, I don’t see what it has to do with the ‘ recent trend’ of bringing those things to light. I certainly don’t have an issue with it. Old or not, people should be held accountable for their actions, at the very least by having those actions made public.

Urambo Tauro > atfsgeoff 07/26/2020 at 20:22

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Also who is Alanis King Jone s

Alan is King Jones, and King Jones is Alan. Seems pretty straightforward to me .

Nauraushaun > Spanfeller is a twat 07/26/2020 at 20:24

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Eh. I’m not sure if I justify this sort of shit stirring . A guy was an ass to you a full year ago - let it lie. Maybe he shouldn’t have said it, maybe you missed the point of what he was saying.

Who gains what by trying to start a fight over it so much later?

ClassicDatsunDebate > Spanfeller is a twat 07/26/2020 at 20:36

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If I recall, Alanis mentioned this on Jalopnik because I’m sure I replied scoffing at the guy’s audacity.  

atfsgeoff > MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) 07/26/2020 at 20:39

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The issue is that as memory fades so does veracity. It’s important to make objections known as soon as they occur. Dwelling on it for a year or longer doesn’t help anyone.

And no I don’t believe all accusers. I’ve seen too many friends’ lives ruined by the lies of their ex-spouses to be that na ï ve.

RacinBob > Spanfeller is a twat 07/26/2020 at 20:43

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I’ve met and raced against Randy for maybe 20 years. Most recently was when I was in World Challenge TC class where we ran in GT class race. We mostly amateur drivers in TC class were their rolling chicanes. Literally, I was being passed with 30 to 40 mph speed differentials on the straights.

The last time I raced him I had the misfortune of getting lapped by a pack consisting of him and the other top 3 GT leaders at Mid Ohio turn 1. It’s a nasty 90 mph kink with poor runoff and I had no where to go. My goose was cooked. No problem for Randy, he just passed me on the outside on the grass with his series champion Turbo 4WD Volvo. We joked about it afterwards.

I could have cost him the race. Yet to me and the other TC class drivers he was nothing but positive and gracious.

I cannot believe there was any ill will in his interaction described here. If somebody thinks otherwise, talk to him and judge his response.

Exage03040 @ opposite-lock.com > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 07/26/2020 at 20:45

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The first interaction I could almost see him saying it as a razz joke about her being a “damn millennial”, perhaps in poor taste and thus taken the wrong way. The second seems more condescending but I’d like to know if perhaps he thought she was struggling with either the car or the track, perhaps both. The 3rd: ?

Just based on the videos I’ve seen of Randy, he seems kind of playful and perhaps potentially Non-PC. Alanis is very much propenent about women in automotive, however there’s been some FP articles where I question her stance as being overly pessimistic and seeking to complain. Perhaps this is a case of oil and water?

Either way, it’s “Twitter Court” where people love to flip into guilty until proven innocent, so the hell with that nonsense.

MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) > atfsgeoff 07/26/2020 at 20:56

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The odds of the accusations being false is pretty low, and it gets even lower with each subsequent person that accuses someone of the same thing.

Sexual assault is traumatic, and without getting into a whole thing, it’s not as simple as just reporting it the next day/soon after. It’s not like a fender bender. I don’t place a lot of value on anecdotal evidence 

zipfuel > Spanfeller is a twat 07/26/2020 at 20:57

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There’s no “if” here: Alanis was Jalopnik’s motor racing columnist always seemed pretty low on drama. I expect you remember pretty well when you’re talked down to by a known figure in the sport for being the only girl in the room. He on the other hand likely won’t remember the name of who interviewed him last week.

Storm in a gated manual teacup tho.

Spanfeller is a twat > Exage03040 @ opposite-lock.com 07/26/2020 at 20:57

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I think somw sexual harrastment cases started to bubble up in the auto journalism world and maybe she thought it was appropriate to bring out.

Spanfeller is a twat > ClassicDatsunDebate 07/26/2020 at 20:58

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Did she? I barely read FP tho...

Spanfeller is a twat > zipfuel 07/26/2020 at 20:59

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I... Didn't place an if. 

Spanfeller is a twat > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 07/26/2020 at 21:10

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It could be an age thing. But certainly confusing her with the rep just shows that he instinctively didn’t care much for the female journos there.

Based on Alanis’ recount of the events.   

Spanfeller is a twat > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 07/26/2020 at 21:11

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He did delete the tweets so... 

atfsgeoff > MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) 07/26/2020 at 21:12

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I don’t place a lot of value on anecdotal evidence

That’s exactly what Alanis is presenting here. Anecdotal evidence.

Exage03040 @ opposite-lock.com > Spanfeller is a twat 07/26/2020 at 21:13

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Mmmmmm, have to keep an eye out then for developments.

Thanks!

Spanfeller is a twat > Exage03040 @ opposite-lock.com 07/26/2020 at 21:17

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Randy deleted the tweets, maybe he has decided he didn’t want to add to the fire (his replies were pretty bad ). 

RacinBob > Exage03040 @ opposite-lock.com 07/26/2020 at 21:22

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My thoughts too. He didn’t know it when he woke up this morning but he is now a sexist and ageist per the court of twitter. Where does he go to get his reputation back?.........

fintail > Spanfeller is a twat 07/26/2020 at 21:30

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Jalopnik journo - kind of an oxymoron

Exage03040 @ opposite-lock.com > Spanfeller is a twat 07/26/2020 at 21:37

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You know I had a thought about that and I believe those were strictly out of emotion:

There’s been times where I’ve opened up the comment box and start smashing away at the keyboard because I’m unhappy and disagree. However, I’ve learned to stop, take an hour or 2 to reflect on what’s been presented , and come back nuanced and diplomatic. Especially as you can’t delete Kinja comments or change after 15min.

I think this genuinely caught Randy off guard and his responses were completely reactionary with heavy emotion.

I personally wouldn’t appreciate this kind of deliverance. Would it not have been fair to Randy for Alanis to contact him personally about the incident instead of dropping this bomb? We all know the state of Twitter and how people react on there to such things.

Exage03040 @ opposite-lock.com > RacinBob 07/26/2020 at 22:06

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I honestly don’t know, as presented Randy has made his thoughts known about women in motor-sport through media and his ex-wife is also racer.

I just replied to tae with regards to how manipulative Twitter is and thus I have no intention of changing my stance of my first post sentence. I’m disappointed that Alanis didn’t discuss the incident with Randy before posting to Twitter.

Judging by Randy’s tweets you’re absolutely correct; he certainly didn’t expect to wake-up this morning to the “twitt-ch fork mob”, and unfortunately his emotional reaction and recant simply made it worse for him.

I’d like to simply know the truth because they seem to have vastly different views on their interaction, so much so that Randy can’t recognize her...

RacinBob > Exage03040 @ opposite-lock.com 07/26/2020 at 23:27

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Can’t comment more than what I said. It’s a shame 

CalzoneGolem > Exage03040 @ opposite-lock.com 07/27/2020 at 07:46

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There’s been times where I’ve opened up the comment box and start smashing away at the keyboard because I’m unhappy and disagree.

I personally find what works best for me in these situations is to close the browser and find something else to do and not respond at all.

Exage03040 @ opposite-lock.com > CalzoneGolem 07/27/2020 at 09:48

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It’s a option I typically reserve for people that are intolerant and dive to vulgar and or personal attacks. I want communication with people I disagree with because I believe in options and considerations for thoughts.

This incident unfortunately got the best of Randy in reply due to emotion, and unfortunately he fell in to the kangaroo court that is Twitter and a screen-cap trap. With a cooler head he could have pipped her by asking why she didn’t private message him about this incident if that’s the way she felt.

Wacko > Spanfeller is a twat 07/27/2020 at 10:11

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I say he wasn’t shaming her for being a girl, but for being a Jalopnik blogger, since they are in NY and don’t own cars....

CalzoneGolem > Exage03040 @ opposite-lock.com 07/27/2020 at 11:30

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I kinda assumed we were talking about people being intolerant or diving to vulgar and or personal attacks from the fact you needed to take a couple hours to cool down.

Randy would have benefited from my advise.

MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) > atfsgeoff 07/27/2020 at 11:54

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I should have been clearer, I don’t place a lot of value on anecdotal evidence(alone) when it’s being used to establish something systemic or generalizations. I believe your friends had those false accusations, I don’t think that that means that is commonplace.

You’re also talking about Alanis’ experience when I’m not. I’m talking about you lumping her thread of tweets above in with the ‘recent trend’ of exposing sexual abuse, when it doesn’t really fit. 

This is from the UK, but there’s lots of other evidence to support it. False accusations are very rare, we don’t have to believe everyone, but automatically not believing accusations until you’ve been shown definite smoking gun  proof is...naive and a disservice to victims.

http://www.open.ac.uk/research/news/false-accusations-sexual-violence

I don’t want to make this into a ‘ debate’ and I’m not upset with you. 

Dusty Ventures > Spanfeller is a twat 07/27/2020 at 16:04

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Oof:addendum

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Exage03040 @ opposite-lock.com > CalzoneGolem 07/27/2020 at 17:24

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I find people that are able to provide a solidly based argument for opposition do this for me. The whole ad hominem and character assassination attempts don’t bother me as I’ve come to terms they’re likely ideological/political zealots, activists and recruiters. One can easily high-ground over them, it’s usually just not worth the effort/ time.

Yes he would have.

atfsgeoff > MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) 07/27/2020 at 17:32

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Its cool, I’m just very jaded and don’t trust people in general to tell the truth, particularly when the  claims are unfalsifiable.

Spanfeller is a twat > Dusty Ventures 07/27/2020 at 18:51

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Interesting posting schedule

Dusty Ventures > Spanfeller is a twat 07/27/2020 at 20:12

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Unfortunate timing is unfortunate.

Personally I don’t think there’s a “good” time for a video about race car drivers getting girls, but now is extra bad

BigBlock440 > zipfuel 07/28/2020 at 14:37

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Are you thinking of Steph?  I don’t recall Alanis being the motor racing columnist, though I haven’t been to the fp often the past year or so.

zipfuel > BigBlock440 07/28/2020 at 19:34

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Alanis was the resident NASCAR expert, think she did the motor racing roundup for a while too.

https://jalopnik.com/a-very-basic-guide-to-understanding-how-the-nascar-cup-1838097957